Hearing transcripts

18 February 2008 - Morning session

1 Monday, 18th February 2008
2 (10.00 am)
3 (Jury present)
4 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: I call Mr Al Fayed.
5 MR MOHAMED AL FAYED (sworn)
6 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: Would you prefer to sit down,
7 Mr Al Fayed? Please do.
8 Questions from MR BURNETT
9 MR BURNETT: Now, Mr Al Fayed, for the record, I wonder if
10 you would simply state your full name, please.
11 A. Mohamed Abdel Moneim Al Fayed.
12 Q. We know each other and you know that I will be asking
13 you questions first on behalf of the Coroner before you
14 are asked questions by others.
15 Now, Mr Al Fayed, you are a very well-known man,
16 a great and buccaneering businessman, but you are here
17 today as the father of a son who died in a crash, for
18 whom you still grieve deeply. That is right, isn't it?
19 You have all of our condolences in respect of that,
20 Mr Al Fayed.
21 What I should like to do for the first part of this
22 morning is elicit from you your account of the events of
23 the summer, as far as you remember them, and then
24 I shall want to ask you a few questions about the main
25 concerns and allegations that you have been making over

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1 the years. I know you understand that. We have spoken
2 about it before. So you are content with that sort of
3 course?
4 A. I make no allegations.
5 Q. All right.
6 A. What I have been talking about and declaring is just,
7 the thing which I believe what happened to my son and
8 Princess Diana. I have a note. I would just like to
9 read it before.
10 Q. Yes, please do.
11 A. If you don't mind?
12 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: Yes.
13 A. "My belief that my son and Princess Diana were murdered
14 was confirmed when I learned that two leading
15 commissioners, Lord Condon, Lord Stevens, did not show
16 the Coroner the notes made by her leading lawyer,
17 Lord Mishcon, detailing the Princess's fears for her
18 life.
19 Princess Diana also told me personally, before and
20 during the holiday we shared in July 1997, of her fears.
21 She told me that she knew Prince Philip/Prince Charles
22 want to get rid of her. I cannot believe that they sat
23 on such an important note and did not pass it to
24 the Juge Stephan in Paris or Michael Burgess
25 straightaway. I believe that they acted

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1 unprofessionally and they must have no conscience. They
2 have no courage and have given into the dark forces that
3 want the note to stay secret."
4 I cannot believe that two leading commissioners and
5 a very, very highly respected lawyer representing
6 the Princess hold such a devastating note which is black
7 and white, explaining her fears to the two commissioners
8 who are considered very highly, powerful persons in
9 looking after the security of this country. Is this
10 point not black and white?
11 How can such an important note -- they don't give it
12 to the investigating judge in Paris, which is very
13 important, and also to the Coroner, Michael Burgess, who
14 is investigating the murder. It is black and white.
15 MR BURNETT: So your first concern that you want
16 particularly the jury to understand --
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. -- centres on the Mishcon note and the original decision
19 of Lord Condon and Lord Mishcon not to disclose it, and
20 a decision that was subsequently endorsed by
21 Lord Stevens; that is your first concern. I will come
22 back to that in due course.
23 A. Yes, I am accepting. It is black and white. I am
24 talking to the jury, a jury of ordinary people, if they
25 accept it. You don't want this as a major cover-up from

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1 two leading police officers in charge of the security in
2 this content. She said that she is going to die or be
3 killed in a car crash in the note and this is what
4 happened, with my son.
5 Q. So that is your --
6 A. I would just like also that the Coroner, he has
7 the power to order Lord Condon and Stevens with all
8 the notes, with all the meetings they have, and what
9 happened when -- there must be other meetings, there
10 must be notes, there must be some memoranda concerning
11 this. I would like this. All these documents to prove
12 why they have not, what they -- when they are here in
13 the witness box, they have been wobbly, they have not
14 really know how to answer. They say legal. What legal
15 advice have they taken? They know exactly what is legal
16 and what is not legal.
17 Q. You will have to allow me to interrupt for just
18 a moment, Mr Al Fayed. You know you are here to give
19 evidence, rather than to argue a case or even to make
20 speeches --
21 A. I am not arguing or making speeches. I am just talking
22 black and white points why I am convinced --
23 Q. I know, because I have been told by Mr Mansfield, that
24 you have identified a handful of points that
25 particularly concern you. That was the first of them

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1 and you asked the Coroner whether you might read those
2 points out. The Coroner, as I understand it, is content
3 that you should do so.
4 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: You have some more to read there?
5 A. Fine, okay.
6 MR BURNETT: If you wish to read the point so that the jury
7 has particularly in mind what your concerns are.
8 A. "Princess Diana told me that she had proof that her life
9 was in danger and that she kept in a wooden box, with
10 her initials on top of the box, that Paul Burrell knew
11 about -- she told me that if she was ever killed or
12 anything happened to her, I must make sure that
13 the contents of this box were made public. I told
14 Paul Burrell the day after what happened. I called him
15 on Monday morning and I told him the Princess have told
16 me, you know, exactly what happened and all her fears
17 have been executed. He promised me that he would keep
18 the contents of the box safe and tell me that if anyone
19 tried to tamper with them -- he did not kept his
20 promise.
21 The next I heard was that he had been arrested and
22 that he had stolen Diana's possessions and he was then
23 set free by the Queen so that he would keep quiet.
24 "Her sister, Sarah, came to see me two days after
25 what happened, told me that she thought that the crash

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1 was suspicious [and this is the sister] and that she
2 would find the box and keep its contents safe."
3 She has not done so, and I am certain that
4 the contents, where it is -- she said when she was in
5 the witness box, in the lift going up and -- she does
6 not know where is it. How can, as a sister -- she lost
7 her sister -- and her answer on the witness box you
8 think is this satisfied? She is also, I am certain,
9 part of the cover-up.
10 Q. So Lady Sarah McCorquodale is also part of the cover-up?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. I see.
13 A. Roger Milburn was put in charge of the investigating of
14 the theft of Diana's possessions. His boss was David
15 Veness, one of the men who prevented the Mishcon note
16 from being made public. Also I am sure he is part of
17 and representing the intelligence services at Scotland
18 Yard. The Coroner has not persuaded further
19 investigation to find the real box, which I am asking if
20 he can give his order. Where is this box? Where it
21 disappeared? Where is the letters? Who took
22 the letters? Especially the letters from Prince Philip
23 and a tape, which telephone conversation being recorded
24 and the threats on this tape.
25 You asked me -- to say I have no proof. How can you

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1 want me to get the proof? I am facing a steel wall of
2 the security service, Official Secret Act. How can you
3 tell me? The proof, the Coroner has the power. I have
4 been fighting for ten years to reach where we are, to
5 have a formal and to have a jury of ordinary people.
6 I hope they have realised during the last four months
7 what has happened and all the obstacles; all
8 the witnesses who have given definite proof, especially
9 Richard Tomlinson.
10 I just continue. Sorry.
11 Q. Don't worry. Shall I then read the next bit out so that
12 we can move onto the next session?
13 "The Sunday Mirror [you say], on 31st August 1997,
14 by Andrew Golden, supports exactly what Princess Diana
15 told me and what Prince Philip thought of my family."
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. So that is another point --
18 A. Andrew Golden is still alive and this is the day Diana
19 and my son have been murdered, 31st August.
20 In the morning in The Sunday Mirror, a reporter
21 writing that the full warrant will be removed from
22 Harrods and this time to settle down with Princess Diana
23 and Al Fayed:
24 "Pregnancy and engagement:
25 "Diana told me on the telephone that she was

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1 pregnant. I am the only person that they told. They
2 told me that they were engaged, my son and
3 Princess Diana, and would announce their engagement on
4 Monday morning, once she had spoken to her sons when she
5 had returned from Paris."
6 Today, The Sun is to be believed. First front page
7 talking to ... Yes.
8 This morning, I am faced with that. (indicating).
9 Q. Mr Al Fayed, I can see you are holding up the front page
10 of The Sun that makes suggestions that Mr Burrell has
11 admitted having lied to the jury. That is something
12 that the Coroner is already pursuing and I would be
13 grateful if you could refrain from simply reading out an
14 article from The Sun in those circumstances.
15 A. This thing just happened this morning. He has been
16 sitting here in the witness box and talking about
17 baloney things and he knows that exactly -- he is
18 sitting and he know exactly what happened, where is the
19 letter, everything, right. It is very important to
20 bring him back.
21 Q. As I say, the Coroner is already taking steps to
22 investigate what is in today's Sun. If you forgive me,
23 I suggest you don't read out what is in The Sun because
24 it is something that needs to be investigated and
25 checked.

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1 Then, the next point you mention is the blood, isn't
2 it, Mr Al Fayed?
3 A. Yes. What you want -- the whole thing has been that
4 Henri Paul was drunk. Fine. It is proved black and
5 white that the blood been taken was not Henri Paul's
6 blood. The blood been taken from somebody was in
7 the mortuary who had been breathing carbon monoxide by
8 the two pathologists who refused to appear because they
9 know that their argument is false and baloney and it was
10 not facts.
11 What do you want? Can you tell me? Everybody saw
12 and the jury saw the witness, and the professors, the
13 pathologists, the technicians, highly respected, have
14 proved that Henri Paul's blood was not Henri Paul's
15 blood.
16 Q. So you believe the results were cooked, as you put it?
17 A. Definitely.
18 Q. And deliberately so by Professors Lecomte and Pepin?
19 A. Yes. Why did they refuse to come here --
20 Q. Just so that we are clear, Mr Al Fayed, it is your
21 belief that Professors Lecomte and Pepin were, from
22 the very beginning, engaged in a cover-up?
23 A. Definitely, by the French intelligence, because
24 the French intelligence helped the British intelligence
25 to execute the murder, and without their help, without

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1 giving all the facilities in the tunnel, switches the
2 camera, doing everything possible to help an MI6 officer
3 to secure the murder.
4 Q. That is the whole of the French establishment?
5 A. It is not the French establishment. It is the French
6 intelligence.
7 Q. And the police?
8 A. And the French police also.
9 Q. And the French medical services, through Lecomte and
10 Pepin?
11 A. The French intelligence and the British intelligence,
12 they have their stooges, their agents, everywhere.
13 Q. And that includes Professors Lecomte and Pepin?
14 A. Absolutely.
15 Q. I see. The last point that you particularly wanted to
16 emphasise to the jury concerns dark forces.
17 A. Richard Tomlinson told me, a few months after the crash,
18 that he had seen a plot to kill Milosevic in the tunnel,
19 just like my son and Princess Diana. I believe him and
20 I believe the evidence that he gave to the inquest, very
21 convincing, that MI6 assassinates people of great
22 importance and relevance. He believes there is a file
23 which the security service have on me which -- where is
24 that file? He believes that there is a file on the
25 paparazzi member in the pay of security services. This

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1 is likely to be James Andanson, who has executed
2 the murder in his own Fiat, pushed the car, and
3 the strobe lights have been used to blind Henri Paul.
4 Q. Can I just interrupt you there to check that
5 I understand what you are saying? It is your belief
6 then that James Andanson was driving the Fiat Uno at the
7 time?
8 A. Definitely.
9 Q. And that he was later murdered?
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. I see.
12 A. He has been later murdered because -- for the security
13 service, avoiding that he will again turn against them
14 and say exactly what happened.
15 Q. I see.
16 A. They had to get rid of him. I would just like to know
17 where is the file of Andanson, later found dead in his
18 car in suspicious circumstances? Where is that file?
19 Where is the file he has described which is likely to
20 relate to Henri Paul and his use or employment by
21 British security services, and why did the British
22 establishment allow him -- not allow him to come to
23 England to give his evidence without threatening with
24 arrest? He has been arrested several times. And why
25 have security services been so desperate to keep him

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1 from giving all his evidence?
2 This is very important. This is not another proof
3 of cover-up? Why did they not let him come?
4 He is the guy who knows only where the bodies are
5 buried in MI6. You ask me to give the proof. How can
6 I give the proof? And the murderer, the official
7 section of terrorists at MI6, right? I saw how half
8 a dozen of MI6 officers sitting during his evidence,
9 trying to stop him talking. It is not acceptable.
10 It is not right.
11 Q. To pick up, Mr Al Fayed, on the essence of what you are
12 saying, you have told us that Mr Andanson was in
13 the Fiat and thus caused the crash.
14 A. He owned the Fiat which pushed the car.
15 Q. And later was murdered, and you are, in your own mind,
16 satisfied that Henri Paul was employed by the British;
17 that is MI6?
18 A. Definitely. Definitely. How can -- when he was killed,
19 they find 20,000 francs in his pocket, because he
20 disappeared three hours before the murder, being briefed
21 what to do, duped exactly. He had to take this way,
22 avoiding the paparazzi, to go through the tunnel,
23 because this is the only tunnel suitable to execute
24 a murder --
25 Q. Mr Al Fayed, we will certainly come back to that point,

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1 if you can bear with me. But I am conscious that those
2 are the main issues that you wanted to draw to
3 the attention of the jury. I think that is all of them
4 on the three sheets of paper that you kindly gave me in
5 advance.
6 A. Yes, but I need the Coroner to take action, to force
7 the security service to deliver the file, and the only
8 way to get this truth is to give immunity to
9 Richard Tomlinson, to take him to MI6 offices, because
10 he knows exactly how they operate and he knows where is
11 the files.
12 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: Have you complete the three pages
13 of your document now?
14 A. Yes, sir.
15 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: Mr Mansfield, it might be
16 convenient for that document to be copied and made
17 available to the jury, rather than for them to have to
18 go back into the transcript to look for what was said.
19 MR MANSFIELD: Certainly. I have provided a copy to my
20 learned friend this morning and I am happy for that.
21 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: Could it be copied and could
22 I have a copy as well please?
23 MR BURNETT: Sir, certainly. It has only just emerged, as
24 you will appreciate, and the only caveat that I would
25 enter is that given that there is an extensive quotation

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1 from today's Sun which may or may not be a matter that
2 you need to investigate, it needs to be adjusted for
3 that purpose, as you particularly directed the jury not
4 to read the papers and they should hear the evidence
5 here.
6 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: Well, shall we take that out for
7 the time being then?
8 MR BURNETT: Yes. We will arrange for that to be done as
9 the morning goes on, sir.
10 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: Mr Mansfield, are you content
11 with that?
12 MR MANSFIELD: Certainly, sir.
13 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: The Sun article is certainly
14 being investigated. I have called for the tape and
15 I shall want to know all about the circumstances in
16 which it was obtained and we will proceed from there as
17 appropriate.
18 MR MANSFIELD: Yes. Thank you for your concern.
19 MR BURNETT: Mr Al Fayed, can I ask you a few questions next
20 about how long you had known Princess Diana and her
21 family and so forth? I think there is little
22 controversy about this, so I hope I can take it quite
23 quickly.
24 As I understand it, you were an old friend of the
25 Princess's father, Earl Spencer, and her stepmother,

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1 Raine Countess Spencer, from whom we heard evidence.
2 A. She works for me now.
3 Q. And she works for you now.
4 As a result of that, you had met Princess Diana on
5 many occasions before the summer of 1997 and regarded
6 her as a friend, a good friend?
7 A. That is right.
8 Q. No doubt it was as a result of the closeness of your
9 relationship with her late father and step-mother and
10 your knowing her quite well that led to you issue an
11 invitation that she and her sons join you in the South
12 of France in July 1997?
13 A. That is right.
14 Q. Now we have heard from others that that invitation was
15 extended at the end of May or beginning of June, some
16 time around then. Does that accord with your
17 recollection as well?
18 A. I think, to the best of my recollection, I think.
19 Q. And Princess Diana accepted the invitation and
20 the necessary arrangements were made to ensure
21 protection for her sons?
22 A. She complained, you know, in one of the functions that
23 she tried to go to spend the holiday with her kids in
24 her father's estate, in Althorp, but her brother refused
25 that and she say she have nowhere to go. I say, "Please

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1 come and join my family". This is the reason.
2 Q. We have the dates of that holiday. Now, am I right in
3 thinking that before July 1997, although the Princess
4 and your son, Dodi, had met on a number of occasions --
5 A. Yes, several times. They know each other for a long
6 time.
7 Q. -- there was no romance before that summer, and that is
8 your firm view?
9 A. That is right.
10 Q. We have heard from others -- and again, I do not think
11 it is controversial -- that when Princess Diana first
12 arrived at St Tropez with you and your wife and
13 children, Dodi was not there.
14 A. That is right.
15 Q. It is right, isn't it, that Dodi was in Paris with his
16 then girlfriend, Kelly Fisher?
17 A. To the best of my recollection, I think so.
18 Q. Now, you knew Kelly Fisher, presumably?
19 A. Yes, I had met her once or twice, yes.
20 Q. You know that she suggests that she was engaged to Dodi?
21 A. No, she was one of his casual girlfriends.
22 Q. She --
23 A. Nothing was serious. No engagement, nothing. She is
24 just one of his girlfriends.
25 Q. She also said -- and I think it fair that you can

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1 comment on this -- that she had understood that Dodi was
2 buying a house for them in Malibu, the Julie Andrews
3 house, but that in fact you bought it --
4 A. Dodi bought the house before because he is doing his
5 business there -- he is a film producer and done so many
6 successful movies -- and just for his residence when he
7 is in Los Angeles, but not for Kelly Fisher.
8 Q. So Dodi had bought this house in the spring of 1997, is
9 that right?
10 A. That is right.
11 Q. In fact you bought it through one of the companies that
12 you own?
13 A. That is right.
14 Q. Now staying with the Malibu house, if I can call it
15 that, you, through Mr Mansfield, have shown me a letter
16 written to you by Princess Diana on 29th July 1997. So
17 that is after the holiday at your house and before
18 the first trip on the Jonikal.
19 A. That is right.
20 Q. There is a reference there in the letter from the
21 Princess to your showing her catalogues.
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. I understood that you think that that is a reference to
24 your showing her the details of the Malibu house.
25 A. Yes.

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1 Q. So that was during the holiday in St Tropez, was it, or
2 a little time after?
3 A. No, this is after the relation has developed, as Dodi
4 broke with Miss Kelly Fisher, Diana happened that she
5 got the -- just divorced. Both of them was in
6 a situation that they clicked to each other. They knew
7 each other for a long time.
8 Q. But this must have been in the first few days of the
9 relationship which followed the holiday in St Tropez,
10 didn't it?
11 A. I cannot remember exactly whether it is later or before.
12 Q. The letter that Mr Mansfield has given me a copy of this
13 morning is dated 29th July. Is it right that before
14 that date, you were showing Princess Diana
15 the brochures, the details of the Malibu house? Have
16 I understood that correctly?
17 A. I think to the best of my recollection, maybe I showed
18 her just the house. Maybe Dodi talked about this house
19 to her and it happened that I had one of those
20 catalogues with me.
21 Q. Now back, if I may, to the holiday in St Tropez. We
22 have heard that you asked for Dodi to come down to
23 St Tropez and he arrived on the 15th.
24 A. No, he had plans. He had his own yacht. He arrived
25 there. He knows I am there with the family, with his

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1 brothers and sisters, and it is normally during this
2 time, we are all together.
3 Q. The Princess and her boys were staying in what has been
4 described as the "guest house" on your estate in
5 St Tropez.
6 A. That is right.
7 Q. If I have understood things correctly, you all spent
8 quite a lot of time on the water as well --
9 A. In the house, yes.
10 Q. You were in the house, on boats, just having a really
11 good summer holiday?
12 A. That is right.
13 Q. Your children, as well as Dodi, were all there?
14 A. That is right.
15 Q. They were a good deal younger than Dodi and were,
16 broadly speaking, similar ages to the Princes?
17 A. As William and Harry, yes.
18 Q. We have heard from everyone who has given evidence, that
19 is to say all of Diana's friends, that she had
20 a wonderful holiday and the boys had a wonderful holiday
21 and thoroughly enjoyed themselves.
22 A. That is right.
23 Q. And that was your perception as well?
24 A. That is right.
25 Q. Did you stay on in St Tropez after the holiday or did

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1 you move off somewhere else?
2 A. I am on the move all the time. Sometimes St Tropez,
3 sometimes I am in London, in Paris, in Finland, you
4 know.
5 Q. Yes, all right. We then have a very clear chronology of
6 the movements of the Princess and Dodi throughout the
7 summer. I am going to come back in a little while, if
8 I may, to deal with the discussions that you had with
9 the Princess, both when she was with you and later on
10 the telephone, when she was with Dodi, all right? So
11 we will come back to that.
12 Mr Al Fayed, what I would like to ask you next is
13 likely to be painful because I need you to recollect
14 the circumstances in which you learned of the crash and
15 Dodi's death, but I do wish to see whether the accounts
16 that we have been given by others are accounts that you
17 agree with. All right?
18 Now you got a telephone call in the early hours of
19 the morning on 31st August 1997. Can you remember where
20 you were, Mr Al Fayed?
21 A. I was in my country house.
22 Q. You were at Oxted?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. Can you remember who telephoned you with that dreadful
25 news?

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1 A. One of the security. I think it may be Kes Wingfield,
2 to the best of my recollection.
3 Q. The circumstances of what occurred were absolutely
4 dreadful. We have heard from a number of people that,
5 quite understandably, you were distraught in the day or
6 two that followed and no doubt for much longer. In
7 those circumstances --
8 A. It was a slaughter. Not murder.
9 Q. In those circumstances, are your recollections of what
10 occurred that night and the next day and the few days
11 that followed really clear or are they not? I think
12 everyone would understand if they were not, Mr Al Fayed.
13 I will see if I can get straight to the point that
14 I want to ask you.
15 A. It is a difficult one, but I would like to know why you
16 ask things like that.
17 Q. Let me be clear. Mr Klein told us that when he spoke to
18 you -- and he thought he was the first, but maybe he was
19 not -- when he spoke to you, you immediately said to him
20 words to the effect of --
21 A. I think he had been informed and security called me only
22 after that. I told him exactly what clicked in my mind,
23 all what Diana had told me, exactly what happened. From
24 this moment, the last ten years, I have been fighting,
25 and now, thanks God, I have this forum, I have this

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1 inquest and I hope the Coroner and the jury have heard
2 and have seen all the proofs, all the major cover-up,
3 especially by those two commissioners, which I am not
4 accepting.
5 But thanks God that God has exposed them, and what
6 they have committed is a criminal crime, both of them,
7 to cover up important note from Diana, given by
8 a leading lawyer. Such a lawyer would not go and talk
9 to them.
10 And I know that Diana is not hallucinating. It is
11 factual. She suffered for 20 years this Dracula family.
12 20 years, if it is from Prince Charles or Prince Philip,
13 and the minute that she can see happiness and love at
14 the end in a family which she respects, they don't let
15 her do that and they took my son with her.
16 Q. The only point at the moment that I wish to make sure
17 we have clear is that Mr Klein's recollection that you
18 said immediately --
19 A. Definitely.
20 Q. -- "They have killed them" or words that effect is true?
21 A. That is right.
22 Q. At that stage, the conclusion that you had reached was
23 founded entirely on what Diana had said to you in
24 the course of the summer; that is right, is it?
25 A. That is right.

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1 Q. Now, following the tragedy, we have heard from others
2 that you authorised and instigated your own full
3 investigation of the circumstances.
4 A. That is right.
5 Q. It is right, isn't it, that during the last ten years
6 you have spared no expense to try to seek evidence that
7 supports the conclusion that you reached in those first
8 moments?
9 A. Definitely. I will continue. I am not resting until
10 I die. Whatever -- if I lose everything to find
11 the truth, who -- or terrorist who slaughtered
12 Princess Diana and my son. I am not doing it for
13 myself, but doing it also for the country. I lived here
14 for 40 years, I give my life to the country, I pay
15 billions in taxes, I employ hundreds of thousands of
16 people, I pay hundreds of millions in charity. How can
17 I be treated this way?
18 Can you tell me? Is this fair? After that, they
19 murder my son. I want to expose those gangsters. Not
20 only for me, but for the nation and for the ordinary
21 people of this country. I want you to help me. If --
22 I have want to have succeeded to have this forum to give
23 me justice, and I hope the Coroner and I hope these
24 ordinary people, respectable jury, understand
25 the feeling. I am sure they have children and they know

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1 what I have gone through.
2 Q. Mr Macnamara told us that any material discovered
3 through his investigation that supports the conclusions
4 that you reached in those early moments has been
5 provided to the Coroner. That is right, is it?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. Now I would like to ask you some questions about the
8 engagement of Dodi and Diana. Did either of them tell
9 you that they were engaged?
10 A. I am the only person. I am the father of Dodi and I am
11 the close friend of Diana. I am the only person who say
12 the truth. Anyone else, they just want to ridicule me
13 and say I am just hallucinating. They have been
14 engaged. They are going to declare their engagement on
15 Monday morning. Dodi bought the ring from Repossi.
16 Repossi say this ring is from the collection 'Dis-Moi
17 Oui', the engagement collection. They have been bugged,
18 they have been listened in, they have been monitored,
19 "Do you know what they are doing? Do you know that
20 Diana is pregnant?", and when she was murdered, they
21 take her guts out to really completely falsify the body.
22 Q. Can we take the two issues --
23 A. -- cover-up --
24 Q. -- separately?
25 A. -- but this is very important, because they say I am

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1 hallucinating. How can you mummify a body for a flight
2 of 45 minutes.
3 Q. I am returning, Mr Al Fayed, to the question of the
4 engagement.
5 A. Again, this part of the pregnancy. They know that she
6 is pregnant, they know that she is going to be engaged,
7 they know they are going to get married, and
8 Prince Philip will not allow that, 100 per cent.
9 Q. Will you bear with me while we deal with these issues
10 one at a time? I think it will help the jury if we do
11 so.
12 A. Fine.
13 Q. When did Dodi first tell you of his intention to ask
14 the Princess to marry him? Can you remember that?
15 A. Just one hour before they were murdered.
16 Q. One hour before the crash?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. At that stage, did he tell you that he was going to ask
19 her?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. Rather than that he had asked her and she had said yes;
22 do you see the difference?
23 A. Why didn't just he say he bought the engagement ring,
24 he was going to ask her, the engagement. They know they
25 are already talking about marriage, about engagement,

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1 about, you know, making their arrangements, fine.
2 He said "I bought the ring". I said "Fine,
3 congratulations", and they were going to announce it on
4 Monday.
5 Q. Again, it is extremely --
6 A. And she talked to Burrell also. She said, "We are going
7 to do that, arrange things for a small party on Monday".
8 Q. It is very important that we understand what you are
9 saying. So what you are telling the jury is that Dodi
10 told you on the telephone an hour before the tragedy
11 that he was going to ask the Princess to marry him?
12 A. That is right.
13 Q. Did she say anything to you about engagement?
14 The answer must be "no" if Dodi had not asked her at
15 that stage.
16 A. She took the phone and confirmed that this was going to
17 happen.
18 Q. She told me that he was going to ask her?
19 A. She told me that they had been discussing and Dodi had
20 bought the ring and they were going to declare their
21 engagement on Monday, to the best of my recollection.
22 Q. As far as the ring is concerned -- this is the 'Dis-Moi
23 Oui' ring -- the jury have heard from Mr Repossi and
24 they have seen the CCTV footage, as have you. Do you
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1 been a very last-minute affair for Dodi?
2 A. This is -- you think I had to be involved in details?
3 Q. No.
4 A. It is not my business. No. If they did choose
5 the ring, show him, it is not my business. They told me
6 they bought the ring and they are going to be engaged.
7 I have nothing to do with any details, no.
8 Q. It is not a criticism, Mr Al Fayed, but you have not
9 troubled yourself with all of the detail of the evidence
10 surrounding the Repossi ring --
11 A. I do not need that. I am just looking and trying to
12 find the murderer who killed my son. This is the most
13 important. And why he was murdered? Because they are
14 going to get married, they are going to be engaged,
15 Diana was pregnant. This is why they are murdered.
16 Q. I see. Now if you had a call telling you that they were
17 going to get engaged, that must have been momentous
18 news.
19 A. That is right.
20 Q. Who did you share it with?
21 A. Pardon?
22 Q. Who did you share the news with?
23 A. I do not remember.
24 Q. Announcing an engagement on Monday?
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1 Q. Mr Al Fayed, when I got engaged, there was a small
2 notice in the newspaper and the world was not very
3 interested.
4 A. Yes, but this is only one hour before they are killed.
5 How can I be Mr Happy and they have been murdered next
6 day, just a couple of hours or one hour after they told
7 me. What do you want me to spread? You think I am
8 going to announce their engagement and they are already
9 dead?
10 Q. An announcement of an engagement between Dodi and
11 the Princess of Wales would have been the media event of
12 the year, possibly of the decade. It would have
13 required the most enormous amount of the arranging.
14 A. This late in the evening, fine. It happened just one
15 hour or two hours before they have been murdered.
16 Q. It was not really feasible, was it, to imagine that Dodi
17 and the Princess could decide to get engaged just before
18 midnight on Saturday night, come back to London on
19 Sunday, she speak to her sons and an announcement be
20 made on Monday?
21 A. I do not know what she had been doing before. I am not
22 living with them. They have been together. She can
23 talk to her sons. Maybe they can plan it. It is not my
24 business. It is their own personal business.
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1 about to get engaged. That is what you are saying?
2 A. People are in love, I do not know what they are going to
3 do, where they are going to go, if they are going to get
4 married or get engaged. It is their business.
5 Q. Are you able to explain how it was that on the Friday
6 following their deaths, at a press conference in
7 Harrods, Mr Cole said this:
8 "What that ring meant, we shall probably never know,
9 and if the planet lasts for another 1,000 years, I am
10 quite sure that people will continue to speculate about
11 its significance."
12 How on earth could that have happened?
13 A. I have no idea. I do not remember what Michael Cole
14 said ten years ago.
15 Q. No, but you must have been aware of it when he said it
16 or very shortly after?
17 A. I do not remember that. You can ask Michael Cole why he
18 said it, you know.
19 Q. But you must have been extraordinarily surprised to hear
20 you spokesman attributing no significance to the ring,
21 if you knew it was an engagement ring.
22 A. What you want me to tell my spokesman about personal
23 things of my son and Princess Diana? After I lost him,
24 is this important? It is not important.
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1 that sort were said? On 20th September 1997, this is
2 what was said by your spokesman in an interview
3 broadcast on London Weekend Television.
4 "Well, the thing is this, you know, if this old
5 planet of ours lasts another 1,000 years, I think people
6 will still be speculating about that. I certainly
7 believe that Princess Diana would never have embarked
8 upon any long-lasting relationship without taking
9 the counsel of her very wise-beyond-his-years son,
10 Prince William, and Prince Harry. They were
11 the important men in her life beyond any doubt and
12 beyond Dodi Fayed, and I don't believe that she would
13 have contemplated an engagement unless they fully
14 approved of it."
15 You would not disagree with that sentiment, would
16 you?
17 A. He maybe was talking from his own mind. I never
18 discussed details or any private things of my son and
19 Princess Diana with anybody. If he has allowed himself
20 to talk such garbages, you know ...
21 Q. He did tell us that you had by then told him that there
22 was an engagement.
23 A. After that I told him there was an engagement?
24 Q. Before that.
25 A. I cannot remember. It is ten years ago. He is not part

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1 of my family. He is my spokesman. This is a very
2 private and very personal thing.
3 Q. He went on to say this, in the same broadcast:
4 "Mohamed has never said one word publicly about
5 the relationship, but we haven't said and wouldn't
6 presume to say that they were going to get engaged.
7 I have made that position clear."
8 A. I did not discuss this private matter with anybody.
9 Q. Well when --
10 A. Because it is not a pleasure to talk about things after
11 I have lost my son.
12 Q. When did you first suggest to anybody that Diana and
13 Dodi were about to get engaged or were engaged?
14 A. It is my personal matters. I do not remember if
15 I talked to anybody. Maybe I talked to my wife, to my
16 children, but nobody else.
17 Q. The first public indication from you that there was an
18 engagement -- certainly that I have been able to locate,
19 and it may be that there are others and I do not doubt
20 then, if there are, I will be corrected -- but the first
21 I have been able to locate was in the interview with
22 Piers Morgan that was published in the Daily Mirror on
23 12th February 1998. So four and a half months later.
24 A. I talked to Piers Morgan about the engagement?
25 Q. Yes.

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1 A. I do not remember.
2 Q. You don't remember that either?
3 A. I do not remember if I told him or not, I do not
4 remember. I have not read the article. Ten years now,
5 I cannot ... but I would just like to know what you are
6 after.
7 Q. I am not after anything, Mr Al Fayed. I am trying --
8 A. We would just like to prove and getting the documents
9 and getting them from MI6 to prove to the jury who
10 murdered my son.
11 You want to put to me that I am hallucinating, I am
12 imagining that my son was engaged and that -- you know,
13 it is not right. The most important thing is to
14 concentrate on this forum, this inquest, to find the
15 truth about murdering my son and Princess Diana.
16 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: Mr Al Fayed, the problem is that
17 the only evidence that they were engaged is what Dodi
18 and/or Diana told you, and so --
19 A. That is right.
20 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: -- it is very important to
21 ascertain exactly what you were told and when, and in
22 order to be able to test the reliability of this, to see
23 what, if anything, you said to anybody else about it.
24 A. What I said is just the truth. I am the only person.
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1 Diana and this is the truth.
2 MR BURNETT: It is part --
3 A. And the ring --
4 Q. It is a central part of what you suggest, Mr Al Fayed,
5 that the engagement --
6 A. And the ring is an engagement ring. They were getting
7 engaged. They were going to declare their engagement.
8 The security service knows exactly what they were doing.
9 They have been bugging them, listening to them when they
10 are on the boat. They know everything and this is why
11 they have been executed. This is summary of the whole
12 thing.
13 The most important thing is getting the documents
14 and proving why those two commissioners hide the
15 documents; why those two pathologists changed the blood
16 and the blood is not Henri Paul's blood. All what
17 Richard Tomlinson said -- and I have a platoon of six
18 MI6 officers sitting there trying to stop him saying
19 the truth. It is a lot of proofs. It is black and
20 white. Why this can happen --
21 Q. Can I see if I can bring my questions about
22 the engagement to a conclusion, Mr Al Fayed?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. You cannot help the jury by recollecting when you told
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1 Piers Morgan in February 1998. That is the position, is
2 it?
3 A. I cannot remember. It is ten years ago and this is what
4 I have already mentioned. It is a very private matter.
5 I do not -- I have no pleasure to talk about after
6 I lost my son. What is the use to talk about it, like
7 boast about something like that, which is already
8 finished by great tragedy for me?
9 Q. Can I ask you then about the question of pregnancy?
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. Did Diana tell you that she was pregnant?
12 A. That is right.
13 Q. When did she tell you she was pregnant?
14 A. Just before they died, with the engagement. When she
15 told me about the engagement, when Dodi told me, she
16 told me she is pregnant.
17 Q. So it was the same telephone conversation?
18 A. That is right.
19 Q. If that were right, then it would mean that she was just
20 a very few weeks' pregnant, wouldn't it?
21 A. Pardon?
22 Q. If it were right that she was pregnant, she would only
23 have been a very few weeks' pregnant?
24 A. Possible, yes.
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1 Mr Al Fayed, but no doubt you have followed the evidence
2 and you have many people here who report what is going
3 on to you. There has been really an avalanche of
4 evidence which suggests that the Princess was not
5 pregnant.
6 A. It is not true, sir.
7 Q. You don't accept any of that?
8 A. Absolutely. It is all baloney and people just want to
9 pretend that they know exactly what happened. If you
10 get Rosa Monckton, her brother, leading officer in MI6,
11 she was spying on Diana and sitting here in the witness
12 box, making herself, you know, very -- and she was
13 spying on her, passing all her actions, all her
14 movements, to her brother.
15 Q. If we leave that aside and focus on the evidence about
16 the possibility of pregnancy. I am not going to go
17 through all of it with you, it would be really very
18 undignified to do so, but given the type of evidence
19 that we have had, are you suggesting that those who
20 described the Princess's condition through the summer
21 must be making it up?
22 A. Definitely. Why you embalm the body? To corrupt
23 the body --
24 Q. We will come to that. Don't worry.
25 A. It was full, to corrupt every element you need

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1 especially before the autopsy, and they know that she is
2 coming for an autopsy in London. All those specialists,
3 you know, what proof they have, after all the important
4 parts of her body and all her blood veins been injected
5 by fluid to corrupt any evidence?
6 Q. Just to be clear --
7 A. I am just talking -- because you have so many idiots,
8 they can say to give the pleasure or employed by MI6 to
9 ridicule me. You know, they are not going to succeed.
10 Q. I just want to be clear so that I understand what you
11 are telling the jury.
12 We have heard a lot of evidence from people with
13 whom the Princess had contact over the summer that she
14 had not mentioned engagement to any of them.
15 A. Who are all those people?
16 Q. Lucia Flecha de Lima, Rosa Monckton, her sister,
17 Raine --
18 A. Rosa Monckton was working for MI6 and her brother is MI6
19 and she would say it just to ridicule me and show that
20 I am just hallucinating.
21 Q. I know you say that. If I can just ask the question and
22 I would be grateful if you would give a relatively short
23 answer.
24 Do you believe that the witnesses that we have
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1 to them, are telling the truth or are lying?
2 A. They are lying.
3 Q. Do you believe that the numbers of witnesses we have
4 heard, who have described very intimate details about
5 the Princess's life over that summer which would suggest
6 that she could not have been pregnant, are also lying?
7 A. Definitely.
8 Q. The question of pregnancy is one that was speculated
9 upon. In fact, it was speculated upon in the press
10 right at the beginning of July when she was with you on
11 holiday after that photograph in the leopard-skin
12 swimsuit. That is obviously wrong. There was
13 speculation after the Princess's death that she was
14 pregnant. You are aware, aren't you, that Mr Cole made
15 a complaint to the Press Complaints Council in respect
16 of that and also in respect of an allegation that Dodi
17 was taking cocaine. You are aware of that, are you not?
18 A. To the best of my recollection, I think about
19 the cocaine, that is right, but about the pregnancy,
20 I do not remember.
21 Q. You don't remember?
22 A. No.
23 Q. Again, you would accept, wouldn't you, that Mr Cole's
24 complaint to the effect that there was simply no
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1 pregnant is entirely inconsistent with what you are
2 saying?
3 A. He can talk. He is free to say whatever he thinks. But
4 he was wrong if he has said that because I never
5 discussed with him that Diana told me she was pregnant.
6 Q. He in fact says that you did.
7 A. Maybe he read in the newspaper, he don't like to see
8 this and just by himself, trying to -- an idea which he
9 thinks is not right.
10 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: But he says that you told him
11 that Diana was pregnant.
12 A. I do not remember if I told him that Diana was pregnant.
13 MR BURNETT: I would just like to read to you a short
14 extract from an article in The Sunday Mirror of
15 November 9th 1997. So we are moving forward more than
16 two months from the tragedy. It is an article that
17 purports to set out your feelings about matters. It is
18 described as being informed by friends of yours and it
19 also quotes you in many respects. I would just like to
20 read you one short passage and remember the date is 9th
21 November:
22 "Other key issues which are troubling Mr Fayed have
23 been revealed to The Sunday Mirror ..." --
24 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: When you said "9th November", did
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1 MR BURNETT: It is "November", sir. It is over two months
2 later:
3 "Other key issues which are troubling Mr Fayed have
4 been revealed to The Sunday Mirror by a close friend of
5 the Harrods chief. He wants to know why it took one
6 hour and 45 minutes after the crash to get Diana and
7 Dodi's bodies to the Pitie-Salpetriere Hospital."
8 That indeed is something that you wanted to know.
9 Yes?
10 A. I asked why.
11 Q. Indeed, and we will come to that.
12 "The second is why it took ten minutes for emergency
13 services to reach the crash scene. The third is who
14 initially reported that Diana had only suffered
15 concussion and a broken arm. The last is who gave
16 French newspapers the false tip-off that Diana was six
17 weeks' pregnant."
18 Does that ring any bells with you?
19 A. I have no idea. I do not remember, no.
20 Q. Because again, if that were an accurate report of your
21 concerns in November 1997 --
22 A. Who said that, can you tell me?
23 Q. It is two journalists called Nick Pisa and Matthew Bell.
24 A. I talked to them? I told them that?
25 Q. There is certainly quite a lot of reports in quotation

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1 marks, but leaving aside that, is it accurate? Were
2 you, in November 1997 -- so more than two months after
3 the crash -- concerned about false tip-offs that Diana
4 was six weeks' pregnant?
5 A. I do not remember it at all.
6 Q. In the years that followed the crash, you appeared in
7 many television programmes -- that is true of 1998 and
8 1999 and 2000 and 2001 -- and you gave many interviews.
9 Can you remember, Mr Al Fayed, when the first
10 mention of pregnancy from you came about? Do you know
11 when it was?
12 A. I told you this is a private and personal matter. I do
13 not talk about it. I do not remember. I do not have
14 any recollection that I have discussed it with anybody.
15 Q. Even though it has been one of the foundations for your
16 belief that Diana and Dodi were murdered?
17 A. That is right.
18 Q. So, again, the first that I have been able to locate was
19 an article in The Express on 14th May 2001 that states
20 that you are convinced that Diana was pregnant. I will
21 be corrected if there were earlier ones because there
22 has been so much in the newspapers over the years, but
23 does that sound right to you? It was not until nearly
24 four years later.
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1 convinced -- it is part of my conviction that she was
2 pregnant and this is why she has been embalmed, 100 per
3 cent, and this is part of the things which also they had
4 to kill her.
5 Q. I see.
6 Now, during the summer, you have described
7 the Princess speaking to you about her fears. You spoke
8 to the jury at the beginning of your evidence this
9 morning a little bit about that. If I understood you
10 correctly, she was expressing fears to you particularly
11 about Prince Philip and Prince Charles.
12 A. That is right.
13 Q. Did she link the two together?
14 A. Separately, from time to time, yes.
15 Q. But it was a joint effort, as it were, from her
16 perspective: her ex-husband and her ex-father-in-law?
17 A. That is right.
18 Q. Now, you have been very vocal in suggesting that
19 Prince Philip was behind the crash, the "assassination"
20 as you term it. What about Prince Charles?
21 A. He participated in it.
22 Q. He participated?
23 A. Definitely, and I am sure he knows what is going on to
24 happen because he would like to get on and marry his
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1 the decks. They finished her, they murdered her and now
2 he is happy. He married his crocodile wife and he is
3 happy with that.
4 Q. We have Prince Philip and Prince Charles. Anyone else
5 in the Royal Family?
6 A. Those are the two main people who will not accept first
7 of all. It is well known he is racist, fine. He will
8 not accept my son have to do anything -- as a person who
9 is different religion, naturally tanned, curly hair,
10 they will not accept that he will have anything to do
11 with the future king.
12 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: You said a little earlier that
13 you would expose the gangsters who killed Diana and your
14 son. Would you like to explain who you believe that
15 those gangsters were?
16 A. The gangsters are the members of MI6 which
17 Richard Tomlinson has told me and he mentioned in his
18 witnesses. A person called Langham and Spearman.
19 Spearman was the person --
20 MR BURNETT: Wait a minute, Mr Al Fayed. We have had
21 evidence read that was uncontroversial --
22 A. Yes, fine.
23 Q. You will remember that there was a suggestion made at
24 one stage that there was something suspicious about
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1 the Embassy in Paris, but that point has gone, hasn't
2 it? That evidence was read by agreement --
3 A. As a team, they worked together. They had --
4 Q. Without naming names, if you would be so kind in every
5 regard, what you say is that Prince Philip and Prince
6 Charles, both at Balmoral, organised an assassination
7 using MI6 in Paris?
8 A. Yes, definitely. They have this group, it is called the
9 "Way Ahead Meeting", and Robert Fellowes has mentioned
10 that, that they have this meeting. I like also to have
11 notes of those meetings, what they discussed,
12 Lord Chamberlain and those other people ruling
13 the country behind the scenes. Those are the people who
14 decide the destiny, what can happen, what they can do,
15 and definitely I need to see what this group is doing,
16 what it is deciding. Where the notes of this meeting?
17 He say they had several meetings, especially in July and
18 August. The Government have the power to discover
19 because this is all the proofs. How can I --
20 Q. Mr Al Fayed, were you here for Lord Fellowes' evidence
21 or not? I am afraid I cannot remember.
22 A. Robert Fellowes will tell you exactly this, that they --
23 Q. You will remember that the Coroner has seen the agenda
24 and minutes for the meeting of the Way Ahead Group in
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1 A. It is not only one meeting. They have several meetings.
2 I would like to have a copy of that. My lawyers have to
3 have a copy of that.
4 Q. The Coroner, as you will remember -- and no doubt you
5 were advised -- ruled that the content of those
6 documents were irrelevant because they provided no
7 support whatsoever for the suggestions that had appeared
8 in the press over the summer. Do you understand?
9 A. Lawyers can see it in confidence and they find exactly
10 what they have decided. It is simple.
11 Q. To come back to where we were, we have Prince Philip and
12 Prince Charles. What about Her Majesty?
13 A. Pardon?
14 Q. The Queen.
15 A. I have no idea. I do not think the Queen is important
16 in that. I do not think so.
17 Q. Your point is, is it, that Prince Philip really runs
18 the country in the background? Is that what you said?
19 "Ruling the country behind the scenes" was the
20 expression that you used.
21 A. Yes, that is right.
22 Q. So that is Prince Philip. And Prince Charles as well?
23 A. I have no idea if he is involved or not, maybe. But
24 I think Prince Philip is the actual head of the Royal
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1 his announcements in several meetings and several
2 conferences. It is well known. And he will not accept,
3 definitely, as a person -- grow up with the Nazis -- you
4 don't want me to tell you that -- he grow up with
5 the Nazis. As a person he will not accept and it is
6 well know. He was brought up by his auntie who marries
7 Hitler's General.
8 This is the guy who is now in charge and
9 manipulating everything and can do anything. They are
10 still living in the 18th/19th century.
11 Q. Taking that stage by stage, Prince Philip is in charge
12 behind the scenes, not only of the Monarchy but of
13 the country?
14 A. With Lord Chamberlain, with this group, Way Ahead, and
15 those other people really, moving everything. They have
16 the intelligence service at their disposal, everywhere,
17 right.
18 Q. So your suggestion is that we are not really a democracy
19 at all. We are run by, as you put it, a 18th-century
20 autocracy; is that how you see it?
21 A. This is exactly -- if you think that is the
22 manipulation, that you can't -- you know, you think it
23 take me ten years to fight to be here. You think this
24 is easy? Is this democracy that we are living in, that
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1 this -- and I have somebody like you trying to
2 contradict me and trying to prove -- the most important
3 thing, your job here and the Coroner, to find the truth,
4 which I am fighting to find it. I am not going to rest
5 and I am not going to let anybody to get away until
6 I find the gangster, the terrorist, who has executed --
7 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: Well, that is what we are trying
8 to do, Mr Al Fayed, and what Mr Burnett is trying to do
9 on my behalf. He is not trying to trip you up. What he
10 is trying to do is to get the story and what your
11 evidence is to support your contention.
12 A. The most important evidence -- what you want more than
13 two commissioners hiding the most important documents
14 for five/six years and don't give it? You don't want
15 these documents? It is black and white. The blood of
16 Henri Paul is not his blood and why they say he was
17 drunk? It is not this evidence, what Richard Tomlinson
18 says? How can -- you think this is a way I can treated
19 like that? Is this justice? Someone who gives his
20 life -- has contributed to the success of this country.
21 As I say, billions of business I have brought in,
22 employed hundreds of thousands, paying billions in
23 taxes. You think this is the right way?
24 You think it is fair that you don't give me
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1 be Egyptian, the cradle of civilisation 7,000 years ago.
2 One thousand years ago, what have you been doing here in
3 this country? It is not important, but they would be
4 proud of what I have done and what I have given in my
5 life and what I have given, all the opportunities for
6 hundreds of thousands of people, billions of contracts
7 I have raised, and then you come and tell me ...
8 It is the principle. All that I have done, 40 years
9 of my life, I can be treated like that and my son being
10 slaughtered, and then you come and ask me about
11 engagement ring: is this, you know? You go and find,
12 get the proof from MI6, from this group of the Way Ahead
13 who decide the destiny of this country, who decide about
14 everybody.
15 So many things, so many breaches that is in
16 everywhere, in the court, in the justice system, in
17 the Government. Where can I see? Still I believe in
18 the country, still I am supported by the ordinary
19 people. This is why I am here. I am going nowhere.
20 Q. All I am trying to do, Mr Al Fayed --
21 A. What I am doing is not for myself. I am doing it again
22 for the ordinary people of this country. You have to
23 help me with that, not -- trying to say I am
24 hallucinating, I am saying lies. What is the reason of
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1 minute the woman find happiness after 20 years suffering
2 day and night from this terrible family who are ruling
3 this country behind the scenes -- camouflage democracy,
4 right? I am doing that for the sake of the ordinary
5 people because if it happens to me, it can happen to
6 anybody. I am sure you inside yourself believe what
7 happened and then true the Coroner the same and then
8 true the jury too.
9 Q. Mr Al Fayed, I appreciate that you want to explain to
10 the jury your position and you have done on a number of
11 occasions now, but you must understand that you have put
12 forward a number of reasons why you believe
13 Prince Philip and others murdered your son, and I am
14 simply trying to explore the reasons that you have put
15 forward so that the jury can understand what it is you
16 say motivated them.
17 A. I am sure by now, the jury understand. I am sure. And
18 they can say -- they does not need any more. They can
19 give their verdict, I think, after seeing my witness
20 that this is black -- It is not only me. 90 per cent of
21 the ordinary people in this country believe what I am
22 saying. You take an opinion poll. I am ready to pay
23 for it, fine, and you see how many people are going to
24 approve and support me and believe me. Right?
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1 morning and I am conscious that you have been answering
2 my questions and giving your answers for some time now
3 so we will probably break in a few minutes, but you have
4 mentioned to the jury that you believe that
5 Prince Philip is a racist and you have both said and
6 written often that that stems from your belief that he
7 is somehow inculcated with a Nazi view of life as
8 a result of his childhood. Is that right?
9 A. Definitely. Definitely. You don't see -- here is an
10 article. I would like to show it to you, walking with
11 a Hitler General when he was 15 years old. Here it is.
12 You want someone like that, growing up with the Nazis,
13 accept my son? There is no way. This is the proof
14 again.
15 Q. You have made the point often --
16 A. Time to send him back to Germany or from where he comes
17 from.
18 Q. You have made the point often that Prince Philip has
19 a German name if you dig beneath the surface.
20 A. You want to have his original name? It ends with
21 "Frankenstein".
22 Q. I think on that you may not be right, but I don't
23 suppose the original name matters very much.
24 A. It sounds like "Frankenstein" if you read the three
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1 Q. You have made the point -- and I do not want to labour
2 it and we will just do it quickly before we break --
3 that a number of Prince Philip's aunts and other members
4 of his family were married to German princes and
5 aristocrats who got swept along in Nazi Germany in the
6 1930s.
7 A. Yes, all Nazi family.
8 Q. This stems from your belief that Prince Philip is not
9 only a racist but is, in truth, a Nazi as well?
10 A. That is right. Here it is. I am not talking about --
11 this is the Sunday Mail, and here is a picture of him
12 walking with a Hitler General at 15 years old. What do
13 you want proof more than that?
14 MR BURNETT: Sir, would that be a convenient moment?
15 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: Yes. We will break off now for
16 our 15-minute break, Mr Al Fayed.
17 (11.17 am)
18 (A short break)
19 (11.32 am)
20 (Jury present)
21 MR BURNETT: Now, Mr Al Fayed, I would like to ask you next
22 about some evidence that you gave to the French judge in
23 March 1998, so six months or so after the tragedy. What
24 I will do, if I may, is just read you two passages from
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1 then I will ask you for your comments. Just to put it
2 in context, you have told the jury that you believed
3 it was murder from the beginning and that was your fixed
4 belief and that you were investigating to see whether
5 there was evidence to support that belief.
6 This, sir, is the statement of 12th March 1998. For
7 those who need a reference, it is [INQ0037826 - read out in court] where it
8 starts and I am looking at page 2. You said this,
9 Mr Al Fayed:
10 "I should first of all like to thank you for seeing
11 me and can tell you I have confidence in the work done
12 by the police and the legal authorities and thank you
13 personally for your efforts."
14 Now, pausing there for a moment, from what you have
15 told the jury, you had already come to the conclusion
16 that the police and the French intelligence and
17 the medical people were involved in a cover-up and thus
18 it may be thought surprising that you should say to
19 the judge, "I have confidence in the work done by
20 the police ..." Do you have a comment on that.
21 A. This is the beginning, you know --
22 Q. This is six months --
23 A. Everybody is saying that they are doing their best, but
24 at the end it was not the best. It was just the result
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1 They say Judge Stephan -- after two years, he says it is
2 an accident and he knows bloody well that it is not an
3 accident and the driver was not drunk.
4 Q. So Judge Stephan as well is part of the cover-up, is he?
5 A. Definitely.
6 Q. Then you said this to him:
7 "My reaction is that it was the paparazzi that
8 caused this accident. They created the environment ..."
9 A. They created the environment, yes, but not -- created
10 the environment and one paparazzi was involved in
11 the murder, yes.
12 Q. By "created the environment", did you mean then that
13 they created the environment in which there could be
14 a murder as opposed to created the environment which
15 caused the crash? Do you see the difference?
16 A. This environment of the paparazzi running to take
17 pictures of Diana and Dodi and was good cover-up for MI6
18 and Andanson to push the car and other -- also MI6
19 member on a motorcycle ahead of them with the
20 floodlights blinds Henri Paul and Andanson pushed
21 the car to the column, and this is exactly what
22 happened.
23 Q. It went on, page 4 -- can I read you the question you
24 were asked and then the answer you gave? The question
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1 "According to some reports, you have apparently
2 persistently alluded to the possibility that events of
3 31st August last may have been caused non-accidentally.
4 Although this theory has not in any way been ruled out
5 in the course of the investigation, at the present time
6 it does not appear that there is any evidence to
7 substantiate it. What, if anything, can you provide by
8 way of information in this respect?"
9 So that was the judge's question to you. The answer
10 was:
11 "It appears to me that at present the most likely
12 cause was the paparazzi. They created the whole
13 atmosphere, but I am grateful that you have not ruled
14 out other leads. I should add that in my view the two
15 Fiat Unos examined by the gendarmerie are important
16 evidence that merit further investigation."
17 So in March 1998, in front of the judge in Paris,
18 you seemed to be accepting that the most likely cause
19 was the paparazzi.
20 A. It is part of the cause. They created the atmosphere
21 for the murder, to execute the murder. It is as simple
22 as that.
23 Q. But your answer was directly to a question where
24 the judge had asked you whether could you provide him
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1 was murder. Do you see the difficulty with your answer?
2 A. Yes, well how can I get the information after three or
3 four months of the murder? I was seeking information,
4 making my research, having my people looking why this
5 can happen, you know, and later on I got all the proofs.
6 Basically not the proofs, but all the circumstances and
7 all the cover-ups created to execute the murder.
8 Q. You made a statement on 5th July 2005 to Lord Stevens'
9 investigation which I am sure you remember. Do you have
10 a copy of it in front of you? I would imagine it is in
11 the pack that has been provided to you.
12 A. I do not have it. Maybe my lawyer has it.
13 Q. I will remind you of the bits I want to ask you about.
14 I am sure that they will be very familiar to you indeed.
15 You deal with the --
16 MR MANSFIELD: I think it is a little better if he has it.
17 MR BURNETT: Mr Mansfield has one. (Handed)
18 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: Yes.
19 MR BURNETT: Now you deal at some length with the matter
20 that we were touching on just before we broke concerning
21 Prince Philip and his family and so forth. I do not
22 need to ask you any more about that.
23 On page 4, you make the point that the repatriation
24 of Dodi's body was delayed and that you have never
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1 A. That is right.
2 Q. Now you have been following and had reported to you what
3 has been going on at the inquests.
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. Are you content with the explanations that have been
6 provided?
7 A. No, because I had to wait for four hours after I got
8 clearance that I can take the body. They say, "Sorry,
9 you cannot take it because we got a message from London,
10 from the Coroner, Mr Burgess, that the accident is
11 suspicious".
12 Q. But my question is really this: we have heard evidence
13 now from a lot of people, including Mr Klein on this
14 point and also Mr Macnamara, to the effect that until
15 Mr Macnamara intervened, everything was going smoothly
16 and it was that intervention which delayed matters for
17 a short while. You understand that?
18 A. That is right, yes.
19 Q. So there is no mystery with that at all?
20 A. Yes, but the mystery -- why they mention they are
21 suspicious in the accident, and this by the Coroner.
22 Q. Then, page 5, if I just read you what you say and then
23 just -- I think it is clear already that you would
24 adhere to this view:
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1 Princess Diana were murdered by the British security
2 services on the orders of Prince Philip, Duke of
3 Edinburgh."
4 That remains your view and you have expanded upon
5 it.
6 A. Definitely.
7 Q. Then you say that there are two streams of information
8 that you rely upon, the first relating to matters
9 leading up to the crash and the second, things that you
10 describe having been done to discredit you.
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. All right. What I would like to do, Mr Al Fayed, is
13 have a look at those and see where you stand on them
14 now. The first is this:
15 "Henri Paul was a paid informant of both MI6 and
16 DGSE. On the night of 30th August he met with secret
17 service agents in Paris and was paid the equivalent of
18 £2,000 in French francs, which was found in his pocket
19 at the time of his death. Henri Paul should never have
20 driven my son and Princess Diana. He was doubtless
21 working on the instructions from the security services,
22 having persuaded Dodi to deploy the decoy plan."
23 That is still your belief, is it?
24 A. Definitely, yes.
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1 the French equivalent of MI6 --
2 A. That is right. Yes.
3 Q. -- as I understand it, but tell me if I have this wrong,
4 the suggestion that he worked for the DGSE came
5 third-hand through a journalist called "Posner", and
6 that third-hand information made it clear that there was
7 no discussion about Diana; in other words, it was not to
8 do with Diana, his working for the DGSE. Do you
9 remember that?
10 A. No.
11 Q. You don't know of any other evidence that he worked for
12 the DGSE?
13 A. The only person I know is Henri Paul, and this has been
14 confirmed by Richard Tomlinson.
15 Q. You believe that he met one or other of these
16 intelligence agencies after he went off duty from
17 the Ritz --
18 A. That is right. For three hours he was with his handler.
19 Q. With his handler?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. What then was going on in your belief?
22 A. Just directing, completely duped him, by the idea to let
23 Diana pass, go slowly. He had to avoid going towards
24 the Champs Elysees, he had to go this tunnel, just
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1 he was going to be killed. He followed their advice and
2 they told him he had to take this route, definitely,
3 because this was the safest route, to avoid all
4 the paparazzi.
5 Q. So where were Diana and Dodi going that evening? Before
6 they got to the Ritz, where were they planning to go?
7 A. They were leaving the hotel. I told Dodi don't leave
8 the hotel --
9 Q. No, I am a little further back in time. When they left
10 the Rue Arsene Houssaye, where were they going?
11 A. They were going back to the Ritz.
12 Q. No, they were not, Mr Al Fayed. They were going to
13 the Chez Benoit, the restaurant on the far side of
14 Paris. Who was driving them?
15 A. My driver.
16 Q. Philippe Dourneau?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. The plan was that they would go to the restaurant, have
19 dinner and then Philippe Dourneau would drive them back
20 to the apartment, wasn't it?
21 A. No, drive them back to the hotel. They were not going
22 back to the apartment, they were going back to
23 the hotel.
24 Q. The difficulty certainly that I have, Mr Al Fayed, is
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1 Ritz which was made just a minute or two before they
2 arrived there, how anybody could have foreseen that,
3 given it was Dodi's decision to go to the Ritz rather
4 than to the Chez Benoit. You know that, don't you?
5 A. But this is what happened.
6 Q. But Henri Paul was off duty and was not going back on
7 duty that night, was he?
8 A. He went back.
9 Q. Yes, but he was called back when your son and
10 Princess Diana --
11 A. He was called back, he got his handler, "I am going back
12 to the hotel, find", and convinced Dodi he has to drive
13 from the back because this is the safest way and Dodi
14 followed him. Before that I talked to them, I said
15 "Don't move, don't leave the hotel".
16 Q. How could they have been discussing a plan which
17 involved leaving the back of the hotel -- this is with
18 the handlers as you put it -- if nobody knew they were
19 going to be at the hotel?
20 A. Pardon?
21 Q. No one knew they were going to be at the hotel, did
22 they, Mr Al Fayed.
23 A. No, but he knows that Dodi was going back to the hotel
24 and Dodi was not there after that. He left for
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1 10 o'clock -- not 10 o'clock, I think about just before
2 11 o'clock or something, gone to Dodi and explained to
3 him -- tried to convince him it is the safest way to go
4 from the back and no follow-up car.
5 Q. So you have no difficulty in this whole plan being
6 hatched between 7 and 10 o'clock at a time when
7 Henri Paul was not going back to the hotel --
8 A. That is right.
9 Q. -- and was going to have, as far as anyone knew, no
10 further dealings with your son and the Princess that
11 evening?
12 A. That is right, but he showed himself out of the blue
13 there.
14 Q. All right. The second point you make concerns
15 a suggestion that the Mercedes speedometer was stuck at
16 196 kilometres per hour -- that had appeared in
17 the press, I think, hadn't it?
18 A. I do not remember.
19 Q. -- and linked with the suggestion that Henri Paul was
20 drunk. Those are the points you make, aren't they?
21 A. I say Henri Paul was drunk?
22 Q. No, no, no. The belief you have -- let me just read it
23 so that I do not mislead you or confuse myself. You
24 describe this as a belief:
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1 was stuck at 196 kilometres per hour immediately after
2 the crash and that Henri Paul was three times over
3 the drink drive limit. There was a determination by
4 the British and French authorities to portray the deaths
5 as a result of a speeding drunk driver. The statement
6 regarding Henri Paul's drunkenness was made before his
7 body samples had been fully analysed. Investigations
8 have proved that the speedometer was not stuck at
9 196 kilometres per hour. It reverted to zero.
10 Henri Paul was not drunk. This is attested to by
11 several close witnesses as well as forensic medical
12 facts."
13 A. That is right.
14 Q. Now, dealing with the speed for the moment, it has been
15 agreed evidence between all the experts that the speed
16 of the Mercedes at the time of the crash was about
17 65 miles per hour; so something about 130 kilometres per
18 hour.
19 A. What is wrong in that?
20 Q. I am sorry, just over 100 kilometres per hour; twice
21 the speed limit.
22 A. Twice the speed limit?
23 Q. Yes.
24 A. I have no comments on that. Did I mention that in my
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1 Q. No, the point that you mention is that there had been
2 a suggestion that the speedometer was stuck at a higher
3 speed. I am simply asking you the question that there
4 is no doubt, is there, that Henri Paul was driving at
5 about twice the speed limit?
6 A. There is no proof of that.
7 Q. There is no proof of that?
8 A. Because the meter was found on zero and I do not know
9 what speed they were going.
10 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: But all the experts have agreed
11 about it.
12 A. Agreed what?
13 MR BURNETT: The speed of the Mercedes when it hit
14 the pillar.
15 A. 100 ...?
16 Q. About 65 miles per hour.
17 A. But at that speed it may be they were trying to avoid
18 the paparazzi, right.
19 Q. But do you accept that agreed evidence?
20 A. I cannot confirm that.
21 Q. The next point you make is that the Princess was under
22 close surveillance by MI6, CIA and NSA. You refer to
23 your efforts to obtain information through the courts in
24 America. We heard from Mr Macnamara on Thursday of last
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1 it -- the involvement of Senator Mitchell and Mr Tyrer
2 and so forth.
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. Are we to understand that in addition to the British and
5 French intelligence services, who you say are implicated
6 in the deaths either directly or as part of a cover-up,
7 that the American intelligence agencies are similarly
8 involved in a cover-up?
9 A. No, they have been spying on them through this
10 sophisticated satellite system to have their
11 communication, their mobile phone calls, you know, from
12 the satellite over the yacht.
13 Q. So are they too involved in a cover-up because they
14 won't show you documents?
15 A. Yes. We have correspondence also I would supply --
16 I think my lawyer has it -- and all blacked out, all the
17 things. They have answered some of the questions.
18 Q. So they too are covering things up?
19 A. They work together. If they have a motive they want to
20 execute, they collaborate to each other.
21 Q. Before moving on, can I ask you to comment on
22 suggestions that were made apparently by Diana to her
23 sister and also in the call between Kelly and Dodi that
24 you tape-record telephone calls? Is there any truth in
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1 A. I take telephone calls?
2 Q. I am asking the question, Mr Al Fayed. It is an
3 allegation that has been made and I wish to give you an
4 opportunity to comment on it. You don't?
5 A. I cannot remember.
6 Q. You don't remember?
7 A. It is ten years ago. How can I remember?
8 Q. I am asked to clarify the question. In 1997, did you
9 tape -- that is record -- telephone calls made to and
10 from your offices?
11 A. Not. I do not need to do that.
12 Q. It may be that you misheard the question that I asked.
13 Then the next point you made was that Mr Tomlinson
14 had described the plot to assassinate
15 President Milosevic and you make a reference to
16 the blinding flash of light. That is still an important
17 part of your belief?
18 A. Definitely right.
19 Q. The next point you made was this:
20 "Had Princess Diana received immediate medical
21 treatment in hospital, she could have survived.
22 However, en route to the Pitie-Salpetriere Hospital,
23 the ambulance passed a hospital which had adequate
24 facilities and could have rendered emergency treatment.
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1 the hospital, therefore her chances of survival were
2 minimal."
3 Now, in saying that, we understood that you were
4 suggesting that the slowness of the ambulance and
5 the decision to go to Pitie-Salpetriere were deliberate
6 ones, to increase the chances of the Princess's death.
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. Is that still your belief?
9 A. Definitely, because just ten minutes from the accident
10 was a hospital that can deal with her. Yes.
11 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: Mr Burnett you just --
12 MR BURNETT: I am so sorry, sir.
13 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: There is something you passed
14 over, but finish that point and I will raise it.
15 MR BURNETT: I am sorry for that, sir. There may be much
16 I pass over inadvertently.
17 You still believe that that was deliberate on the
18 part of the medical people concerned to ensure the death
19 of the Princess?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. We have heard from all of the people involved,
22 Mr Al Fayed --
23 A. But I cannot see any reason why they take one hour and
24 she is bleeding.
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1 they did and why they did it, but it was not at all
2 suggested to them on your behalf that they were
3 effectively party to the conspiracy to murder. That is
4 your belief, is it?
5 A. This is what I believe.
6 Q. So that means that before the crash even occurred, the
7 conspirators, starting with Prince Philip in Balmoral
8 Castle, which is where he was, had squared the French
9 emergency services, the SAMU --
10 A. I say they work together. The French intelligence
11 service helped the British intelligence service, and
12 possibility was also in the ambulance some members of
13 the British and French intelligence, trying to really do
14 everything possible that that murder can be executed,
15 whatever ways, by let her bleeding, you know. She had
16 no chance to survive and this is what happened.
17 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: How do you get the message to
18 the doctor to make sure that she does not get to
19 hospital quickly?
20 A. What doctor?
21 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: The doctors who treated her at
22 the scene.
23 A. But the doctor -- he cannot make that decision, the
24 decision of the ambulance people and the people in
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1 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: So you are not suggesting that
2 it is the fault of the doctors at the scene, are you?
3 A. Pardon?
4 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: You are not suggesting that
5 it was the fault of the doctors at the scene not to get
6 her to hospital; that was somebody else, was it?
7 A. Definitely.
8 MR BURNETT: Which was conveyed to the ambulance driver --
9 A. No, the medical team in the ambulance, and they may be
10 infiltrating some of the intelligence people there.
11 Q. So the medical team in the ambulance was part of the
12 conspiracy --
13 A. Not all of them, but some of them.
14 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: Some of them had been infiltrated
15 by the security services?
16 A. That is right, just to -- not going directly to
17 that straight hospital which was only ten minutes and
18 they go one hour and 15 minutes from that.
19 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: But can you --
20 A. It is suspicious. For me, that is part of the --
21 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: Can we go back a moment because
22 in your statement you said:
23 "The Princess of Wales was under close surveillance
24 by MI6, CIA and NSA in the United States. They closely
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1 Then you go on:
2 "They would have been aware that she intended to
3 announce publicly her engagement to Dodi on Monday
4 1st September 1997."
5 A. Yes, that is right.
6 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: Well now, can you just help us
7 about what you are suggesting there? Are you suggesting
8 that they were monitoring the phone call that you had
9 with Dodi and Diana --
10 A. Definitely, yes.
11 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: -- or was it some other phone
12 call? That is the only evidence that we have heard of
13 where they have said that they were either engaged or
14 about to get engaged.
15 A. I am saying that.
16 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: Yes. You are saying, are you,
17 that the intelligence services monitored that telephone
18 call and that is how they --
19 A. Maybe monitoring all the phones. Maybe they don't
20 monitor some time of the phones and this is maybe
21 the hotel phone.
22 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: Where else would they have got
23 information from? What telephone call?
24 A. When they are in the boat, when they are in St Tropez.
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1 through satellite, yes.
2 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: So you are suggesting, are you,
3 that it was already known by somebody before that that
4 they were getting engaged and that Diana was pregnant?
5 A. It is a possibility because they have been talking
6 together between her and Dodi, talking with their plans,
7 their idea, when they are going to pick the engagement
8 ring and this is definitely maybe known by monitoring
9 their phones.
10 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: I see.
11 MR BURNETT: Now the next two points you make -- and I know
12 they are still at the heart of your beliefs -- are that
13 there were senior MI6 people in Paris --
14 A. That is right.
15 Q. -- and also that you find it quite incredible that
16 the British Embassy suggests that it was unaware of
17 Diana's presence in Paris before the crash.
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. You just don't believe that?
20 A. Madness. Crazy.
21 Q. So the people we have heard from, the Ambassador in
22 particular, who has made inquiries and can speak of his
23 own knowledge, he is lying too, is he?
24 A. The Ambassador is part of the plot, and he has been
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1 (inaudible) too.
2 Q. Sir Michael Jay, as he was, part of the plot, and his
3 promotion to be head of the Foreign Office was, what,
4 a pay-off of some sort?
5 A. Yes, of course.
6 Q. And presumably then his promotion --
7 A. Because he helped cover up, facilitating everybody,
8 organising things without his help.
9 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: A lot of people were involved in
10 the plot.
11 A. Yes, but those people are the people who really listen
12 and anything the Royal Family do, they will just adapt.
13 This is why they have been titled, looked after,
14 promoted. Including Lord Stevens, the same; been given
15 a new job, looked after.
16 You know, they stole his computer. Why he did not
17 fight for stealing his computer, Lord Stevens? Can you
18 tell me? His personal computer has been stolen from his
19 house and it was front-page news. Who stole his
20 computer?
21 MR BURNETT: Mr Al Fayed, you are ranging across the period
22 so fast, I am finding it difficult to keep.
23 A. I am just giving you some of that.
24 Q. Sir Michael Jay was promoted to be head of the Foreign
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1 A. That is right, in gratitude that he helped.
2 Q. And presumably that was arranged by Prince Philip?
3 A. But the Foreign Office is full of MI6 and MI5,
4 everywhere, all the Embassies, yes.
5 Q. Was all this arranged by Prince Philip?
6 A. Prince Philip and his -- you know, Lord Chamberlain, all
7 the people ruling the country behind the scenes.
8 Q. So they make the appointments to the head of the Foreign
9 Office, not the Government?
10 A. No, they recommended -- people who have served them
11 loyally and produced products for them to make them
12 happy, they have to be gratified.
13 Q. And Lord Stevens too, part of the cover-up?
14 A. Absolutely, because he duped me in the beginning. He
15 said of course he is a father, he put himself in my
16 position, he waste my time for three years, and then
17 after that, when his computer had been stolen and maybe
18 blackmailed, he changed his mind. I am sure MI6 wrote
19 this report for him and I am really -- I have no
20 respect.
21 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: MI6 wrote Lord Stevens' report?
22 A. Definitely helped him. Can you tell me how can a report
23 like that took three years to produce? He promised my
24 people, promised my lawyer, that this report would not
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1 going to be a document in the court or in the inquest.
2 How can he collect worldwide press and read the report,
3 detail his findings? The previous coroner has agreed on
4 that. This is why I objected and he has been removed.
5 Right, do you think that is fair? Is this normal,
6 to publish the report? He promised that this report,
7 because it is part of my legal rights -- to gather
8 a worldwide audience and read the report to them without
9 giving me or my lawyer a chance to look at it, it is not
10 normal.
11 MR BURNETT: So Lord Stevens is part of it. We have heard
12 already that you believe --
13 A. Lord Stevens and Lord Condon.
14 Q. That is right. I was coming to Lord Condon.
15 A. Because they cover.
16 Well, why have they not declared the letter? It is
17 decent proof. This letter is a criminal action on their
18 parts to cover this letter of Lord Mishcon. You are
19 a well-known lawyer, an experienced lawyer. You agree,
20 you think it is right, to hide such a letter which Diana
21 knows that she is going to be murdered, and when she was
22 murdered, this letter has been hidden by two
23 commissioners? Are we in a banana republic?
24 Q. What about Lord Mishcon himself? We have heard about
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1 Lord Mishcon did not want the letter disclosed, so
2 Lord Mishcon too, it must follow --
3 A. Definitely, both of them.
4 Q. So that is Lord Stevens, Lord Mishcon and Lord Condon?
5 A. Yes, and I am going to sue them criminally because this
6 is a criminal action, to hide evidence of murder which
7 Diana had already warned, and Diana was murdered and
8 that letter has been covered up.
9 Q. While we have a number of peers in mind, can I ask you
10 about another one, Lord Fellowes?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. Now, in a letter to Lord Stevens, you said this:
13 "At a meeting [your] officers were told of
14 information which I believed to be authentic concerning
15 Lord Fellowes. It is said that he was present at
16 the British Embassy in Paris at 11 pm on
17 30th August 1997 one hour after Henri Paul had been
18 briefed by the security services and one and a half
19 hours before he took the wheel of the car which resulted
20 in the deaths of my son and Princess Diana.
21 Robert Fellowes commandeered the communications centre
22 at the British Embassy and sent messages to GCHQ.
23 I hope that firm evidence of his involvement can be
24 provided, but in the meantime I hope that you will see
25 fit to question him as to this important break-through."

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1 Right?
2 A. That is right.
3 Q. So your belief was that Lord Fellowes -- he was
4 Sir Robert Fellowes at the time, so, again, what,
5 promoted, given a peerage to thank him for his
6 involvement?
7 A. Possibility. Why not? He is the Private Secretary. He
8 is a part of the group Way Ahead that organise
9 everything. He knows exactly what happened.
10 Q. So you think he was in the British Embassy,
11 commandeering a communications centre communicating with
12 GCHQ?
13 A. Yes. How can I get the proof? This is exactly what
14 happened. How can executing such a horrendous crime by
15 MI6 is not managed and directed by senior people? Just
16 be sure this is going to happen. Right?
17 Q. So he was busy coordinating the plot, it must be?
18 A. On behalf of the Palace.
19 Q. Prince Philip?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. So he was murdering his sister-in-law --
22 A. What is wrong with that? The sisters are not close
23 together; just on the surface.
24 Q. Is that still your belief, that Lord Fellowes was in
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1 A. Yes. How can I prove? The Embassy must have documents.
2 Can you discover the documents in the Embassy? I am
3 certain there is some proofs.
4 Q. My question, Mr Al Fayed, was whether it was still your
5 belief, and I think from the answer you have given,
6 the answer is in fact yes, it is still your belief?
7 A. I have been told that. I have been told that by a very,
8 very responsible person who knows exactly what happened.
9 Q. You appreciate, don't you, that none of that was put to
10 Lord Fellowes on your behalf?
11 A. But it is already in my statement.
12 Q. All right. Then the next point you make in your
13 statement concerns the embalming of the Princess.
14 A. That is right.
15 Q. What you believed was that Sir Michael Jay, the
16 Ambassador, had communicated to the French authorities
17 via Madame Coujard, the Public Prosecutor,
18 the instruction from MI6 to have the Princess's body
19 embalmed to hide any signs of pregnancy?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. Again, the jury has heard a great deal of evidence about
22 that. Is it still your belief?
23 A. Evidence of what?
24 Q. They have heard evidence from Sir Michael Jay, they have
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1 evidence from all of those involved in the embalming.
2 A. Of course they have. Do you think the jury will believe
3 Lord Jay or Lord Fellowes? They are a part of the
4 establishment.
5 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: So not only were Lord Jay and
6 Lord Fellowes in the conspiracy, but Mme Coujard was as
7 well?
8 A. Mme Coujard -- they cannot, because it is a criminal
9 action to do the embalming, especially the body going
10 for autopsy. It is a crime, without high authority from
11 someone. If she gave her blessing, definitely
12 the blessing will come from the Ambassador, not from
13 anybody. They cannot embalm a body they know that this
14 body is still going to the autopsy. It is a crime in
15 France and I have a court case in France and I will be
16 sure to prove that because the whole file will be there
17 in front of the judge. Right.
18 Q. All I want to be clear about today, Mr Al Fayed --
19 A. I just want you to be sure that I am not letting
20 anything to appear -- for ten years I am fighting. Just
21 don't try to ridicule what I said because what I said is
22 certain and certain belief. And I am fighting forces,
23 dark forces.
24 Q. Mr Al Fayed, I am not trying to ridicule what you are
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1 A. You have to help me to find the truth. That is why
2 we have this forum with the distinguished jury and
3 the distinguished judge. Right.
4 Q. Mr Al Fayed, the suggestion that the embalming was done
5 at the instruction of MI6 through Sir Michael Jay, to
6 Mme Coujard and onwards, is not a matter that was put to
7 any of those witnesses.
8 A. Pardon?
9 Q. It is a not a matter --
10 A. Of course they will say no, definitely, because they
11 committed a crime.
12 Q. The next point you made concerned Henri Paul's autopsy
13 and the samples taken. You have already told the jury
14 that you believe both Professors Lecomte and Pepin
15 deliberately falsified --
16 A. It is not only me. You have a very high distinguished
17 professor confirmed that it is definitely not
18 Henri Paul's blood, and if it is not Henri Paul's blood,
19 why the first thing, before the sunrise, all
20 the newspapers and radio, "Henri Paul is drunk like
21 a pig"? It is all part of the power of the intelligence
22 services and the control of the media apparatus just to
23 cover themselves up.
24 Q. We have heard that the suggestions in the day or two
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1 limit or thereabouts was put out by a press release of
2 the Public Prosecutor's Office, so it follows that they
3 too were involved in the cover-up?
4 A. No, they just follow up what the press writes, it is
5 complete out of the question and it has been proved by
6 the pathologist, right?
7 Q. If the Public Prosecutor in France was putting out press
8 releases to the effect that Henri Paul was drunk, then
9 do you believe they too were in the conspiracy to cover
10 up?
11 A. It is wrong, it is wrong. I am disputing that. They
12 cannot say that because Henri Paul was not drunk.
13 Q. Yes, I understand your answer.
14 A. Lord Stevens himself, he said he was not drunk.
15 Q. My question is whether you believe the Public
16 Prosecutor's Office in Paris was part of the cover-up
17 after the event.
18 A. Always the intelligence service, they have their stooges
19 in the justice system, everywhere, right, and if they
20 want to cover up, they put somebody like Judge Stephan
21 or anybody else, right, to just execute their motives.
22 Q. So the answer to my question is in fact "yes"?
23 A. Yes. Yes -- what you mean?
24 Q. The Public Prosecutor's Office --
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1 Q. -- were also involved in all of this?
2 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: There were a very large number of
3 people in this conspiracy on your account.
4 A. It is the facts. It is the facts. What you want from
5 two commissioners, highly respected commissioners, in
6 charge of Scotland Yard, covered up such a letter --
7 it is not a proof? How Henri Paul blood is not
8 Henri Paul blood confirmed by leading professors and
9 pathologists, is this not a truth? Richard Tomlinson,
10 I would like you, because you have been appointed like
11 a coroner and a judge, to help me to find the truth.
12 Why MI6, all the dead bodies are covered? You bring
13 Richard Tomlinson and give him immunity to help you to
14 find all the proofs and all the proofs are there. Not
15 me to find the proofs. How can I find the proofs, in
16 the state, the intelligence service -- it is just
17 unbelievable. I cannot imagine that this can happen in
18 a democracy.
19 MR BURNETT: The next point you made -- and I think
20 we covered this sufficiently this morning -- is one that
21 arises from the Fiat Uno. You have told the jury that
22 it is your belief that Mr Andanson was driving
23 the Fiat Uno --
24 A. That is right.
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1 A. Yes.
2 Q. You make the point that the French authorities have
3 classified his death as suicide. Do you believe the
4 French authorities dealing with his case --
5 A. Definitely.
6 Q. -- have covered it up on purpose as well?
7 A. They have, yes, and this will be proved, definitely.
8 Q. All right. Then you mention a burglary at the SIPA
9 offices after his death and also a burglary in London of
10 Lionel Cherrualt and an incident at the office of Darryn
11 Lyons and their two press people as well. We are going
12 to be hearing evidence about all of that --
13 A. But can you find for me from Scotland Yard and MI6 where
14 are these pictures, because the pictures can identify
15 number plates of the cars and all of the people and when
16 MI6 have been there waiting so everything can happen.
17 Why they attack people? Why they go and confiscate all
18 the proofs from those paparazzi officers? Can you tell
19 me why?
20 Q. That is all part of the intelligence community or
21 agencies covering their tracks after the event?
22 A. Happening in Paris and happening here in London.
23 Q. The next point you make:
24 "Francois Levistre contacted the Ritz Hotel and
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1 time no suspicion of assassination had been voiced, but
2 M Levistre described in some detail witnessing
3 the blinding flash just before the crash and the
4 presence of a small white car (the Fiat Uno).
5 The French authorities did everything possible to
6 discredit him and refused to take his evidence
7 seriously."
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. Now we have heard from M Levistre. Were you here for
10 his evidence or not?
11 A. No, I was not here.
12 Q. Well, it will be a matter for the jury to make their
13 mind up about the evidence that Mr Levistre gave.
14 Then there are three more points that you make.
15 One, that there is no reason why Henri Paul should have
16 been going through the Alma Tunnel. Second, that
17 Gary Hunter described two vehicles fleeing the scene, as
18 you put it. The jury have had his statement read to
19 them. The last, which we have dealt with, is the delay
20 in the repatriation of Dodi's body.
21 A. That is right.
22 Q. So that summarised all the points that you particularly
23 wanted to make to Lord Stevens and you still adhere to
24 all of them, essentially?
25 A. Definitely.

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1 Q. And one or two more, as we have discovered as we have
2 gone through them?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. Then the next matters that you deal with in your
5 statement concern this:
6 "Since I have p